Sometimes, I encounter opportunities, while adding a requested feature, to make a tool a bit more generic for other possible needs with very little extra effort. However, this is considered a violation of YagNi, but often seems like too good a bargain to turn down. For example, suppose you are designing a string-handling library. Originally you have a Replace function/method with 3 parameters: the original string, the string to be replaced, and the value to replace it with. However, a request comes in to give it a scope of the first encountered match or every match. Rather than making this Boolean, we could have it be an integer to tell how many matches to replace. Zero or an omitted parameter would mean "all". Thus, without adding more parameters, we can get more ability just by going from a Boolean to integer. ''There's no such thing as a free feature. It may be that in the future, you find you need to optimize this method, and you choose a new algorithm, which applies nicely to a single match, but not to an arbitrary number of matches. The point is that whichever direction you commit to will preclude other choices down the line. YagNi is intended to help you keep yours and your customer's options open as long as possible.'' But the reverse could also be the case. ''Another way to look at this is that if it's genuinely "free", it'll still be free later, when a need for it is discovered. If the choice is between doing it now and doing it two months from now, all else being equal, it's better to do it two months from now. If the customer hasn't asked for it, you've got more important things to do.'' It may not be "free" later because one has to find, visit, and comprehend the implementation code again. It is easier to open a drawer and take two socks out than it is to open the drawer for one sock, close it, and then open it again for another sock. One may end up doing a mental sequential search twice on the drawer instead of once. ''Secondly, the interface you describe above smells to high heaven, which oughta be a clue that something's not right. A method which has magic behaviour when a parameter has a certain value should be refactored into two methods. In this case, we might call them replaceOnce, replaceAll, and replaceFirstN, or something.'' That's a CureWorseThanTheDisease in my opinion. Perhaps a compromise is two different named parameters. I have never liked functions/methods with variations tacked onto the end. The rules for what becomes a parameter and what becomes part of a name are not very stable and consistent. One could end up with CartesianJoin''''''s of sub-feature-driven names like "replaceAllIgnoreCase", "replaceFirstIgnoreCase", "replaceAllCaseSensitive", "replaceFirstCaseSensitive" and so forth. (AttributesInNameSmell) [And 90% of the code between all those functions will be the same anyway, so you'd factor it again by rolling it all into... a common function with multiple parameters. If the multiple functions suits your API esthetics better, it's easy enough to expose that as (an additional|the) interface. A place I've commonly seen this is with Show(bool show), where Hide() maps to Show(false).] This brings up an interesting question: should having a good interface or easy implementation dictate the API design (assuming they produce different answers)? -- top [I think it depends very much on what you're writing and who your customers are. I also don't think there's any perfect hard & fast answers, especially when it's something as subject as a "good interface". Personally, even in my own code, I tend toward clean interfaces at the expense of implementation. Incidentally, functions like the above are one of the reasons I love named parameters so much - it makes calling the function much more clear (you have "ignorecase=True" rather than a magic number) and it future-proofs the implementation (because you can add more named parameters without breaking existing code).] EmulateKeywordAndDefaultParameters ------- [EditHint: Note, I wish to remove this example. It brings up too many other issues not related to BFP such that it doesn't serve the original purpose. But, first we need to find a home for this material. I don't wish to delete others' text without their permission.] {Nah. Just delete this crap. Most of it is invective-filled junk that won't do anyone a whit of good even if it is true.} * Nonsense. My abdomen is sore from laughing at this ludicrous nonsense, and it did me a good whit of good - but it should still be deleted. Here's another example. I was creating a function to check the existence of a constant in a ConstantTable. It started out something like: Boolean function constantExists(group, constantValue) {.....} I then realized that if it returns the constant description instead of just a Boolean, it can serve future uses also. True, it may make IF statements slightly longer for the original usage, but worth it in my opinion. if(constantExists("foo","BLU")) {....} // original use if(!isBlank(lookupConstant("foo","BLU"))) {....} // revamped It provides more information for a small price. [WTF is this spaghetti code? It provides ''more'' info for a small price? A nested double call of two functions... More info '''for what'''? To take away from readability to confuse other programmers reading the code? How is "not is blank lookup constant" more readable than something obvious like... '''isConstant'''? What is "blank", an empty string? A null? Both? How can a constant that doesn't exist be blank?] I use this style all the time and don't have any problem with it. I can read my own code many months down the road. If you don't like it, just say so rather than accuse me of drug use. It's coming across as PersonalChoiceElevatedToMoralImperative. If you can prove it objectively "wrong", please show the proofs. (Note that I've used multiple dynamic languages that don't have explicit nulls, by the way, and I don't miss them. Nulls are a poorly thought-out concept in my opinion.) I will agree that if one has to use lots of constant existence checks in the code, then perhaps a dedicated isConstant() function would be justified. But barring this, one function can do both look-up and existence checking. This is how one keeps a "'''clean tool box'''", and I like it that way. If you want to create a combinatorial explosion of tools, I don't want to use it myself. ''And couldn't you still supply the constantExists() function simply by rewriting it as a call to isBlank(lookupConstant())?'' * Yes, but that "clutters up the tool box" as already mentioned. (This does have the assumption that constants cannot be blank, which most would agree is probably a good one. Although, once I encountered a mainframe system that used a blank to mean something. It confused the poop out of people. One would normally use something like "none", or "N/A" to represent an explicit un-selection. That mainframe convention was probably a left-over from yonder to save bytes.) {Or you could UseExceptionsInsteadOfErrorValues, have 'lookupConstant()' throw an exception on failure (rather than return a blank) and handle exceptions properly. Frankly, using 'blank' in the way you propose here is just as a "poorly thought out concept" as Nulls.} Using exceptions for existence detection is a smell in my opinion. In fact, I think try/catch is a dumb gimmick. (There's already topics on that debate, so we don't need to have it here.) * True, False, and Dedicated error codes are fine - but munging them into "blank" when blank could or could not be valid.. is confusing. I have no idea if a blank empty constant is okay or not by reading that code. It isn't obvious code. And saying something like "Not Is Blank Lookup Constant" is frankly not obvious to any cook in the kitchen, just like "Not Fries Is Isn't In the Empty Fridge" is not obvious and could be clearer to the cook. It doesn't let ''me'', a third party person understand it. You think that ''you'' understand it, but now you are questioning whether blank is or is not valid? Then what the eff is it doing there if ''you'' aren't even sure? ** Blank should NOT be a valid selection. It is just bad design asking for trouble. If by chance forced to use my routines with systems that have this flaw, I'll change it. It's not written in stone. I refuse to over-engineer the routines just for such blue moon cases that haven't happened yet. (It is a YagNi stance.) * And double nesting, solves what, if you can just make a ''wrapper'' around that double nest anyway, which is future proof too.. since whatever you wrap will automatically be updated too, just the same as if you had ugly hardcoded like you do the nest? In addition, wrapping it means you can maintain it in a nice little function instead of editing the error prone nest! Lisp? {But you aren't '''merely''' doing "existence detection"; you're actually grabbing the value (which is supposedly there) with 'lookupConstant()', which does not know it is being used for 'existence detection'. Then you're passing back an ErrorCode in the form of a 'blank' value. ErrorCode''''''s have proven to have a great many problems, not the least of which is that people generally fail to test for them. And exceptions are an idea that have ''long'' proven themselves as a solution. Unless you have an even better solution for the problem they solve, your calling them a 'dumb gimmick' makes me think you're an idiot.} Eff off! You have no objective proof, liar! Take your insults and shove them deep and hard. * All programmers can read their own code (the first few days).. it is about making it ''obvious'' readable code for ''any person'' to read - not clever code (but even above is not clever code, IMO) * ''But I can read my own code years down the road also. Not just days.'' * But I use intra procedural goto statements all over my code and I can read it 20 years later without problem, so screw off. {The way you use 'in my opinion' and 'In fact, I think' tells me that objective proof is irrelevant to you. And it now seems clear that you don't have a better solution to the problems exceptions solve. Therefore, I think you're an idiot, Idiot.} I really doubt there is an objective right choice. Everybody has their own style and very few like other peoples' style. Its usually newbies fresh out of school who think their view is the center of the universe. Their ego has not been dulled down by reality (or lack of it) yet. If you don't like that style, just simply say so without personal insults. Don't pull a PersonalChoiceElevatedToMoralImperative and chew me out like you're the God of Truth and everybody else are your subjects. You are mortal like me with mortal preferences and biases. When Programming Truth Math finally comes out and points the one true way, then I'll re-evaluate my preferences. Until then, zealots like you can go to the very warm place in the basement. * I like other peoples' style when they have justified their choice and it is readable. I am not fresh out of school, you'd actually be amazed at my background, Top. Using something clear like isConstant is clear to any programmer.. it asks a question "does the constant exist, is it there?" and is simple and easy. Your "Not Is Blank Lookup Constant" just doesn't make any steps for man... i.e what does it do that is so great? You think it is a bargain, but you haven't provided evidence why? You just claim it is a bargain and provides more... '''what'''? * But the downside is that we have to make 2 functions instead of one. If the code is not clear, then simply create a little comment "// does constant exist?". If and when I end up using that approach a lot, then I may indeed split it. Let repetition be your guide. * {Frankly, Top, if you're claiming it is repeated enough to warrant a statement of pattern on this page, then repetition ''should already'' have been your guide.} {I 'really doubt' you could even give a full list of the problems exceptions are intended to solve: your 'style' has always been to remain arrogant and willfully ignorant all the while spewing hypocrisy and fallacy as though it were your PersonalChoiceElevatedToMoralImperative as a Whore of Lies. I think your style sucks. Nothing personal, TopMind - I'm only saying I don't like your style. I think it's a style that only idiots and charlatans would choose. But I suppose there is no 'objective' right choice.} You have a right to hate the hell out of my style. I hated others' styles also and cursed it internally. I've learned that people just plain think different and are tripped and confused by very different things. And I have changed my style somewhat based on feedback from others. However, it requires more than one person saying the same thing. But as far as calling me a "charlatan" or a hypocrite, well that requires real evidence. Showing that I claimed that 2+2=3 in one message but 2+2=4 in another would be evidence that I am a hypocrite. (Past similar accusations merely turned out to be a miscommunication, by the way. I don't claim my writing is always clear, but I don't intentionally make it fuzzy. Some people just accuse first and ask questions later.) --top * Your hypocrisy has been proved by your hatred for Thin Tables. In fact you were the inventor of the ConstantTable page, Top - which shows you are a Thin Table weenie, and you just don't know it. ViolentAgreement. * {Top didn't invent the ConstantTable. He only described a pattern that has been in use for a long time. No need to inflate his ego and arrogance any further.} * Gee, there's insult against me regardless of my answer. HeisenbergInsultPrinciple, eh? --top * [Why do you think you are so frequently subject to insults? Why do you think your views are given so little respect?] * Criticizing others' sacred cows creates defensiveness on their part. That is why they get so emotional. I used to get emails from people thanking me for taking to the battles that they were hesitant to (when I used to publish my email address). --top * [Wow. That is ''so'' completely not it. I can see how you might be thanked for taking some of the erstwhile OO hype to task, but your recent contributions here... No, that's not it at all. There's criticising others' sacred cows, and then there's what you do. I ''really'' encourage you to introspect on this, because I don't think any amount of telling you what's going on will work. Indeed, that would probably involve criticising ''your'' sacred cows.] * I encourage you to introspect your evidence. It needs some serious Viagra. {I've provided proof a great number of times in a great number of pages that you're a hypocrite, though your ability to ignore things you don't wish to hear and remain ignorant has thus far trumped my ability to inform you of it. I've no doubt that I'll continue to point out new instances of it. And you've made efforts to lay claim to the "idiot" rather than the "charlatan" in the "idiots and charlatans" clause. For example: apparently you don't know what "hypocrite" means, because it isn't the same as "inconsistent". Hypocrisy only requires that you demand or expect or call virtuous something in others that you fail to provide yourself - where your words are false to your actions.} What explicitly did I ignore? Anyhow, this is not the appropriate topic to bicker about such. (And you are partially right; my example of "hypocrite" was a sloppy one. My apologies.) {Attempting to prove to you your own ignorance when you'd rather remain ignorant of it would be quite futile. If you really wish to know, there are dozens of pages in which you've participated where others and myself point such things out, where you shriek and whine about BookStop''''''s and MentalMasturbation as excuses to avoid comprehension, where you ask questions then become hostile to anyone providing an answer, etc. You'll need to become critical of your own behavior, and become considerably less ignorant, to even begin to understand most of these cases. Are you sure you're up to it?} Blah blah blah, me bad you good, blah blah blah. '''Your evidence is very weak'''. It's that frippen simple. Even if I was the dumb rotting egg you claim, your evidence is still very weak. Come back with lots of scenarios and let's compare to the counter-scenarios and then put it on a scale to weigh them. You magnify little things into mountains in your head. You weigh wrong, or at least not carefully. {Ah, but this isn't the page for it. The evidence has been entirely convincing on dozens of other pages, TopMind, where it has been pointed out to you repeatedly, where the evidence was immediate and strong, and where you (as usual) ignored it or found fallacious reasons to dismiss it. Even before I arrived, you were making fallacious arguments from a seat of arrogant ignorance. Heck, you're the only person on this wiki who has the dubious distinction of having a page dedicated to his fallacies - one contributed to by many wikizens. Maybe, someday, you'll convince me that you ''aren't'' an unprofessional hack - because your reputation is already in the gutter. As I've said, attempting to convince you of your own ignorance isn't particularly relevant; the only reason I intercede these days is not to argue with you, but to make sure that people take your often dubious advice with a truckload of salt - your style of vociferous ignorance is dangerous to people that lack the education to make proper judgements. Opinion offered without valid justification has no place in Computer Science, but that is all you ever offer. As far as your last comment: I haven't needed to 'magnify' anything - rampant stupidity is proven by a big and ever growing pile of individual 'little' stupidities, and is something you've provided all on your own. One way you attempt to defend yourself has always been to look at ''each individual piece'' of evidence and scream: "That's weak! that doesn't mean anything!" - but, really, it is the whole pile at once that matters to everyone else.} Why don't you '''spend more time improving your evidence''' instead on how delusional I am and how smart you are. It gets old. You sound like every other absolutionist blowhard who comes sniffin' around wiki looking for a fight. The bloat and e-red-tape caused by heavy typing and dandruff tables also piles up to sludge-up the works. I've seen such crap with my own eyes. {I prefer to focus my efforts and studies on computer science and computation theory. You can't reasonably fault me for not agglomerating instances of your stupidity across pages. But here is an example, from this page, that constitutes strong evidence of your arrogance and bigotry-induced stupidity: You are unable to provide a full list of the problems exceptions are intended to solve, but you judge them a 'dumb gimmick' anyway. That this is an instance of a habit you have for sneering at things you don't even understand would become obvious only when placed beside the hundreds of other examples scattered across this Wiki. Oh, and it seems you neatly just provided another example of your hypocrisy: You declare heavy typing causes 'bloat' and 'e-red-tape', but (a) you haven't defined 'bloat' and 'e-red-tape' despite the fact that you often demand or expect definitions of such things from others, and (b) you have ''never'' provided evidence for these claims. You might as well say: "TopMind is an idiot! I've read his words with my own eyes!"} The feeling is mutual. ---- AprilZeroEight CategoryDecisionMaking, CategoryXpCritique