This is a sample set of 3 files to demonstrate that a non-HOF version of the BradyBunchGridDiscussion example is technically feasible using ''existing'' browsers. It uses a "refresh" META tag in the HEAD section of an HTML document to create cycles. --top File: brady_1.html: File brady_2_short.html: S: File: brady_2_long.html: L: Copy them to the same folder and launch brady_1.html. --------------------------- '''Notes''' I don't claim it "better" than the HOF version (for existing browsers). But it's an alternative to consider if say the HOF version has a memory leak in certain browser versions. This has two "panel" files, one with a short refresh cycle and one with a longer one. Ideally we'd want the period to be dynamic so that we don't need a separate file per speed type (example: "panel.html?speed=4"). However, it's tricky (or vendor-specific) to change META tags in client JS, so that's not addressed here. It would be easier to do for server-generated code, which would output the META tag as http text. Most of my prior uses of the refresh tag were from server-side anyhow because it was stats and/or events stored in a constantly-changing database, such as store orders or help-desk-tickets. (Those cases were generally refreshed longer than a minute, sub-minute refreshes would be over-kill.)