A sub-sub-hacker with computers, all I know is who to ask and what to ask them. Half the time I get the answer I need, the other half I chop up and rebuild out of things I already have. let's see how links work here... http://www.humanthoughts.org this sure has been fun! http://www.humanspeakers.com/graphics/huwsig.gif --HuwPowell PS, there are probably no useful links remaining to this file... how did ''you'' get here? ''Through RandomPages.''