I'm starting on a PatternWhitePaper as a defensio that we can give to the industry to explain a bit about ourselves. I should have something to circulate by February '96. -- JimCoplien ---- No Idea! Was wondering why use defensio as a term? Found the following http://english.ttu.edu/kairos/2.1/loggingon/grigar.html. What is the origin? -- PeterGoodall