The last one was laid off on Jan 2, 2000. ''Not true. I worked with one a couple of years ago. He kept saying things like: "The Mainframe will never die" and "Java has only one future, to become JavaBOL".'' He is probably right. It is the backbone of too many mission-critical apps. It is the cockroach language: it would survive a nuclear war. ---- Are they anything like "The Seasoned COBOLer" (http://web.archive.org/web/20030615143550/http://www.ai.mit.edu/~gregs/ll1-discuss-archive-html/msg02770.html)? [BadLink?][The link is good for me. Try again?] ''Too funny! I marvel at the twisted intellect that created such an alternate reality.'' (People who marvel at DaveLong's twisted intellect should subscribe to FoRK and kragen-discuss to get more of him.) ''What's FoRK? I subscribed to all 3 kragen lists a month or two ago and there's been almost no traffic at all. 1 post, I think.'' ---- The biggest CobolLanguage weenie has to be Charles Townsend http://www.legacyj.com/cobol/cobol_future.html : I see a long fruitful life ahead for COBOL. COBOL remains the best implementation language for business applications and will retain that distinction for the foreseeable future. At one point I think he actually said (on comp.lang.cobol) that programmers would be obsolete. ---- CategoryWeenie