I was a participant in this. I think it started around 1997 with a bunch of folks from the Detroit and Ann Arbor area. The president of Quintessoft Engineering started it. I think the guy's name was Martin Noreburg. The group met for a while in Ann Arbor and then after a while a few from the east side didn't want to make the drive to Ann Arbor and started meeting in Troy, MI. That lasted a couple of years but it's been a couple of years now now since the group in Troy has met. Some of the folks in the original group are now part of MXPE. I don't know if the Ann Arbor group still meets. -- CharlesMedcoff ---- CategoryGroup CategoryPatternsGroup