Yippee - Wiki's 20,000th (and my first)... 13.45 GMT (I know) March 18th, 2002. -- MartinCooper For the record, JoeOtten created DelphiPatterns, number 19,999, about a half hour before the threshold number was noticed and this page created. After that the WikiSpringCleaning came in and the number dropped again. At March 21st, 06:39 AM (Eastern) BorlandButtons had the honor to be the 20,000th page, but was the third such page, since ParaDox got there first by several hours - I didn't note the exact time. {According to the history on my browser, I started editing BorlandButtons on 21/03/01, at about 12:24 GMT. ParaDox I did a bit earlier, but not several hours... it was an immediate predecessor, I'm sure. But I've been back since and it shows a later "last-visit" time in the history. Whups. -- KatieLucas} ---- Hold on a second here ... There's a search on PageTwentyThousandHistory that still states: '''No pages found out of 19965 titles searched.''' Is it too early to pop the cork? -- Eric Herman ''It has been popped three times now 21stMarch'' Some empty and abandoned home pages and other non-useful pages were deleted soon after this, our 20,000th page, was created. That means we now get to watch for our second 20,000th page. [Which turned out to be ParaDox.] * http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?search=zastruga -- press here to count pages ---- Full text search uses an index that is only updated daily. The search above is a title only search that queries the active database and therefore gives an accurate count. -- WardCunningham (slightly paraphrased) ---- It sure would be interesting to see what would happen if wiki had a hard technological limit of 20,000 pages and that was that. End of the frontier mindset, in other words. ''Well that might go some way towards solving the TooMuchToRead problem.'' ---- It appears that the count is moving backward with good effect. We are finding out something new at this frontier! It would be a GoodThing if periodically the Wiki Community would do the Housekeeping required to improve the quality of existing pages before moving on to the creation of new and perhaps non-contiguous pages. The linking together of pages into a network of useful and provocative information is perhaps one of the things that keeps this wiki going. In this dynamic community, it is impossible to identify the 20,000 page as a single page, since the wiki exists in the WikiNow. The mark has been reached and will be reached again and again as a long overdue refactoring has hopefully begun. So, do we party because of 20k, or do we party because we've (re-)established something important? Do we even need a reason to party? ''Party if you want, I'm partying for both reasons!'' ''Do we even need a reason to party?'' - It's not quite as clear as I intended. I meant yes - PARTY. Maybe we should be saddened. Tonight we're going to party like it's 19,999? ---- I propose that MarchEighteenth mark the beginning of the annual WikiSpringCleaning. ---- '''A mix of deletions and creations improve the wiki''' Let's see how long we can keep Wiki ''below'' 20,000 without deleting any good content. ''Let's see how long we can keep the Wiki vital and relevant by creating good content.'' How much good content is already here, and too hard to find behind all the so-so content? A mechanism called a RoadMap can expose the existing good content by focusing on it and making it more visible. see: AdaptiveProcess AgileProcess CategoryCategory CategoryRoadMap EjbRoadmap ExtremeProgrammingRoadmap SelfDocumentingCode XpVersionControlRoadmap Much of the so-so content has already been deleted, and continues to be deleted at a rate of from 5 to 15 pages a day. The emphasis is that vitality and good content come from the exposure of newly created pages. (which will be a mix of many so-so pages and a few outstanding pages). [ update: for the period from April 9, 2002 through March 10, 2003, over 3400 pages were added to the Repository, that averages 10 pages per day) At this years end (February 2004, we can expect the total to be somewhere between 25500-27500.)] Perhaps effort toward creating new RoadMaps would not be a waste. ---- We're almost there. According to the http://sunir.org/meatball/MetaWiki/metastats ---- '''History after passing 20000''' * April 13, 2002 We had 20374 pages. * April 14, 2002 We had 20299 pages. * April 15, 2002 We had 20080 pages. (metastats is confused because the c2 cron job couldn't generate an accurate WikiList while we were editing the site.) * April 16, 2002 We have 20007 pages. * '''April 16, 2002 between 9:00 and 9:30pm server time, Wiki reached 20000 pages after M''''''etaDiscussion was deleted, and 19999 pages after D''''''eleteIt was deleted. How appropriate.''' * Apr 17, 2002 We had 19985 pages. * Apr 18, 2002 We had 19976 pages. * Apr 19, 2002 Midday, we had as low as 19967 pages; '''by the end of the day we had 20011.''' * Apr 25, 2002 We had 20134 pages. * Jun 18, 2002 We have more than 20500 pages ''WikiSpringCleaning may have to come more than once a year.'' * Jun 25, 2002 We had 20700 pages * Jul 12, 2002 We had 20900 pages * Jul 31, 2002 We had 21000 pages * Aug 30, 2002 We had more than 21200 pages * Sep 11, 2002 We had 21367 pages * Sep 15, 2002 We had more than 21400 pages * Sep 29, 2002 We had more than 21600 pages * Oct 22, 2002 We had more than 21800 pages * Nov 11, 2002 We had more than 22000 pages * Nov 27, 2002 We had 22205 pages * Dec 12, 2002 We had 22440 pages * Dec 25, 2002 We had 22650 pages * Feb 09, 2003 We had 23025 pages * Mar 10, 2003 We had 23466 pages * Mar 27, 2003 We had 23543 pages (3540+ pages or about 9.6 additions per day) * Jul 09, 2003 We had 24722 pages (1170+ pages or about 11.3 additions per day) * Aug 04, 2003 (or thereabouts) We had 25000 pages * Aug 13, 2003 We had 25066 pages (344+ pages of about 9.83 additions per day since July 9) * Oct 06, 2003 We had 25430 pages (364 pages since Aug 13, averaging 6.74 per day, lots of deletions recently) * Nov 12, 2003 We had 25841 pages (411 pages since Oct 06, averaging 10.82 per day, an increase in contributions) * Dec 05, 2003 We had 25941 pages ( 511 pages since Oct 06, averaging 8.51 per day) * Dec 16, 2003 We had 26006 pages ( 576 pages since Oct 06, averaging 8.11 per day) * Jan 01, 2004 We had 26049 pages ( 619 pages since Oct 06, averaging 7.11 per day) * Feb 07, 2004 We had 26291 pages ( 242 pages since Jan 01, averaging 6.37 per day * Apr 04, 2004 We had 27168 pages (1079 pages since Jan 01, averaging 11.48 per day) * Apr 28, 2004 We had 27544 pages (1495 pages since Jan 01, averaging 12.65 per day) * Jun 11, 2004 We had 28095 pages (2046 pages since Jan 01, averaging 12.55 per day) * Jul 03, 2004 We had 28269 pages (2220 pages since Jan 01, averaging 12.07 per day) * Sep 03, 2004 We had 28868 pages (2819 pages since Jan 01, averaging 11.55 per day) * Sep 24, 2004 We had 29241 pages (3192 pages since Jan 01, averaging 12.00 per day) * Nov 28, 2004 We had 29833 pages (3784 pages since Jan 01, averaging 11.39 per day) ---- As the person originally described as having the "enthusiasm of a relative newcomer", I'm now starting to worry about what's happening here, and if I caused it. I'm thinking now perhaps numbers aren't that important (Sorry Vicki). Although I was so pleased to put up the first 20,000 page, with hindsight when we now get back down to 20,000 perhaps it's time for another celebration - but then to move on. Martin ''Which we have, see below.'' ---- 2002 -- As a result of the annual WikiSpringCleaning, Quite a number of pages were deleted and refactored causing the number of pages to dip below 20000 after having reached 20300+. ---- Thousand Page Date Markings: * Wiki At 21000: 20020731 -- Added an additional thousand since WikiAtTwentyThousand * Wiki At 22000: 20021111 -- Reached 23000 In early November 2002 * Wiki At 23000: 20030209 -- We had 23025 pages * Wiki At 24000: 20030530 -- Reached this landmark near this date 10 pages a day * Wiki At 25000: 20030813 -- The net growth of the Wiki at around 9.83 pages a day * Wiki At 26000: 20031205 -- The net growth of the Wiki at around 8.51 pages per day * Wiki At 27000: 20040322 -- We had 27168 pages on April 04. * Wiki At 28000: 20040604 -- We had 28095 pages on Jun 11. * Wiki At 29000: 20040915 -- We had 29005 pages on Sep 15. * Wiki At 30000: 20041222 -- We had 30001 pages at 1505Hrs CST * Wiki At 31000: 20050426 -- We had 31007 pages at noon Pacific time * Wiki At 32000: 20060811 -- We had 32001 pages on 20060814, but probably passed 32000 a few days earlier * Wiki At 33000: yyyymmdd -- Wiki nearing 33000 20080203 mark the day and post here when it happens (what took three months to achieve just four years ago, now takes nearly 10 times as long. To say that growth has diminished is an understatement. ---- Predictions: * 20040611 -- By Aug 27, 2004 we should exceed 29000 pages (Since April of 2002 we have been adding pages at a rate of about 5000 per year) ** Pretty close - 28785. * 20040611 -- We should be at 30000 before the end of the year, probably before Nov 30, 2004. (Actual first crossing December 22, 2004) ---- Related * WikiAtNineteenThousandNineHundredAndSeventyTwo * WikiAtThirtyThousand * WikiAtThirtyFiveThousand * WikiAtFortyThousand ---- CategoryWiki